It's me, you, Elise, and Betsy. Oh, I think that group is up for anything.

I know I don't have the same perspective on deafness and you and tiny_wings not being, you know, deaf, but I worked at a catalog retailer (Harris Communications) who sold equipment and goods to the deaf and hard of hear community, and even in the workplace (almost everyone who worked there was deaf or HoH or work in the community as an ASL interpreter)there were obvious tensions between employees who were deaf and Deaf with the capitol "D." There is some of this in blind community as well, but it doesn't seem to be hard hard core.